tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post4897405816881964414..comments2023-09-11T17:58:13.764-04:00Comments on The Rebbetzin's Husband: Ran, Beit Yosef rule: Conversion is Desirable, for the sake of the ConvertThe Rebbetzin's Husbandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-3381797312655534892008-06-16T21:49:00.000-04:002008-06-16T21:49:00.000-04:00Rivkayael-1. It seems fairly clear that this was n...Rivkayael-<BR/><BR/>1. It seems fairly clear that this was not yibbum at all - after all, neither Boaz nor PA were Ruth's brother-in-law. Rather, it was closer to Ramban's גאולה (which is reflected in the language of the text itself) - a way for a family to take care of its widows.<BR/><BR/>2. I'm with you on this.<BR/><BR/>3. That's Ibn Ezra's take on the pasuk, too.The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-20109133678819368092008-06-16T16:52:00.000-04:002008-06-16T16:52:00.000-04:001. Isn't it questionable if it was yibum or not? ...1. Isn't it questionable if it was yibum or not? Boaz praised Ruth for not marrying other younger men, which implies that she had marital options at that time. If she was bound by a zikah bond to someone else, then she could not have married out until chalitzah was performed.<BR/><BR/>2. I'm not sure if Boaz or Ploni Almoni knew if was the nationally correct thing to do. There were a lot of "Boruch Hashem" type greetings in the sefer, but very little (if any) actual intervention from above; also not clear if people knew that this union would have any national significance.<BR/><BR/>3. However the issue in the sefer seems to be more about redemption than inheritance of land--there was some kind of inheritance mechanism when there were no surviving male offspring (eg. daughters of Zelophchad, but I'm not familiar with the issue).<BR/><BR/>Ok I have really skittered away from the main point of the post.rivkayaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06509357690398313014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-14567030786847670182008-06-16T16:37:00.000-04:002008-06-16T16:37:00.000-04:00Jameel-What makes you say Ploni Almoni knew it per...Jameel-<BR/>What makes you say Ploni Almoni knew it perfectly well? Per the gemara, it was still very much subject to machloket until the days of Dovid, when Shemuel took a stand. (Also note that Ibn Ezra has an entirely different approach to why P.A. refused.)<BR/><BR/>Tzipporah-<BR/>Yes, that is the argument from the R' Sherman/R' Attiyeh side. However, there certainly is room to suggest that - assuming the conversion is valid at all - they are better off even with Gehennom than they were beforehand.The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-55263251493501862382008-06-16T14:24:00.000-04:002008-06-16T14:24:00.000-04:00But rabbi, it would seem that in the Orthodox view...But rabbi, it would seem that in the Orthodox view, the conversion is only good for the ger if he/she is able and willing to fulfill the mitzvot. Isn't one of the main arguments in this case that converting someone who has no intention of fulfilling the mitzvot is not only invalid, but that it would be bad for both klal Israel and the ger him/herself, if allowed to stand? Since the convert is then accruing sin that he or she need not have, as a Noachite?Tzipporahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08807511259582331073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-48225848683874086312008-06-16T10:59:00.000-04:002008-06-16T10:59:00.000-04:00Its not an issue of Tziyonut, it's about responsib...Its not an issue of Tziyonut, it's about responsibility for Klal Yisrael, and living in a ghetto.<BR/><BR/>Ploni Almoni knew the halachot of yibum perfectly well -- that Ruth was permissible to marry into the Jewish people.<BR/><BR/>Yet what does he say?<BR/><BR/>לא אוכל לגאול-לי--פן-אשחית, את-נחלתי<BR/><BR/>Nice. <BR/><BR/>So Boaz does the nationally responsible action for Am Yisrael and marries Ruth.<BR/><BR/>Good thing he did as well.Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-54785936334026245242008-06-16T10:33:00.000-04:002008-06-16T10:33:00.000-04:00Did you expect them to become Tzioni?Did you expect them to become Tzioni?The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-49933553169486361342008-06-16T04:20:00.000-04:002008-06-16T04:20:00.000-04:00...it is also an existential imperative of the Sta...<I>...it is also an existential imperative of the State of Israel as we enter the 21st century.”</I><BR/><BR/>This concept has zero impact on the halachik rulings of the Chareidi world view.Jameel @ The Muqatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15890095633246557332noreply@blogger.com