tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post8994288822133939520..comments2023-09-11T17:58:13.764-04:00Comments on The Rebbetzin's Husband: Banging on the shtenderThe Rebbetzin's Husbandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-78582988742023475302009-07-22T15:42:40.839-04:002009-07-22T15:42:40.839-04:00Lion-
I'm not sure "resorting" is th...Lion-<br />I'm not sure "resorting" is the word I would use.<br /><br />Marc-<br />I think this goes back to a more fundamental issue: What is the purpose of a derashah? I think I've discussed this somewhere, but I'll need to take a look.The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-16230676145176418212009-07-22T14:26:40.643-04:002009-07-22T14:26:40.643-04:00In this context that is the only definition I woul...In this context that is the only definition I would use. While banging on the shtender might arouse the spirituality in someone with manifestations in behavior only observable sometime later, I am not sure it is worth losing one's moral authority (the only practical kind a shul Rabbi has in most places) in the short term when so much else may need to be accomplished. I hesitate to put quantitative values on Mitzvot, but, for example, is it worth motivating someone to put on tefilin sometime later if it means that a significant problem in the shul itself is not sufficiently addressed.<br /><br />Of course, you never know what someone will accomplish when presented with the right stimulus, but how do we decide such issues besides on what we can reasonably predict and assess?Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07338634487443993430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-72697714161592921622009-07-22T00:24:15.844-04:002009-07-22T00:24:15.844-04:00"I'm not sure it's a function of an i..."I'm not sure it's a function of an inability to communicate, though; see Joel's comment. It's theatricality."<br /><br />looking back i can think of 2 rabbis whose shabbat-morning drashot i was interested in listening to. (1 has since made aliyah; the other delivers really amazing derashot and i try to daven in his shul now when i know he is not away.) neither ever had to resort to "theatrics" to get their message across.<br /><br />perhaps its a matter of preference.Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-61646950966104034532009-07-22T00:23:19.864-04:002009-07-22T00:23:19.864-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-17547957149204125162009-07-21T13:58:51.047-04:002009-07-21T13:58:51.047-04:00Anonymous 8:32 PM-
That sounds beautiful.
Marc-
I...Anonymous 8:32 PM-<br />That sounds beautiful.<br /><br />Marc-<br />Is that the only definition?The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-73057187517634828162009-07-21T12:04:39.546-04:002009-07-21T12:04:39.546-04:00I am defining "work" in this context as ...I am defining "work" in this context as effectively improving the issue to a significant degree.Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07338634487443993430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-78454176425330059452009-07-20T20:32:03.253-04:002009-07-20T20:32:03.253-04:00My Rabbi never bangs on the shtender, but he once ...My Rabbi never bangs on the shtender, but he once gave a BEAUTIFUL drash about tefillah being the rhythm of the soul.<br /><br />For example, he tap-tapped the shtender while reciting the words to Adon Olam.<br /><br />And at the end, we all realized that the tapping was in tune to the beat of our hearts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-21671348240766269412009-07-20T15:29:53.275-04:002009-07-20T15:29:53.275-04:00Michael-
Is it unnecessary if people are sleeping?...Michael-<br />Is it unnecessary if people are sleeping?<br /><br />LOZ-<br />Personally, I'd agree that it's a turn-off. I'm not sure it's a function of an inability to communicate, though; see Joel's comment. It's theatricality.<br /><br />Marc:<br />Define "work," please.<br /><br />AnonyJoel:<br />Amen (both on the comment and on the closer)The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-20845424422901220402009-07-20T10:50:10.737-04:002009-07-20T10:50:10.737-04:00Gee, and Rabbi "Doc" Goldstein Z"L ...Gee, and Rabbi "Doc" Goldstein Z"L taught us back in MTA and Dr. Beukas in YU that one needed to have multiple ways to hook an audience and keep their attention, the we could worry about convincing them of anything. <br />Rabbis speak to a very varied audience so the first rule is to segment them and think about how your message will play realizing that you can't reach everyone.<br /><br />W/R/T "banging", we have a saying at work, you can't focus on everything- see your earlier post about communities - decide where you are going to focus and try to move the world a little bit it one area.<br />She-nir'eh et nehamat Yerushalayim u-binyanah bi-mherah ve-yamenu<br /><br />KT<br />Joel RichAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-2353370058045807172009-07-20T09:47:08.103-04:002009-07-20T09:47:08.103-04:00I would suggest that banging on the shtender or do...I would suggest that banging on the shtender or doing other things to emphasize a point should be done only under the following two conditions:<br /><br />1. The issue is of extreme importance <br />and<br />2. There is a high probability that it will work.<br /><br />Otherwise the banging loses its effectiveness.<br /><br />The issues for which banging is appropriate will be vary by community, mainly because in some communities you will not make any headway on certain issues regardless of what you do.Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07338634487443993430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-86952187748620251442009-07-20T07:35:06.485-04:002009-07-20T07:35:06.485-04:00besides hitting the shtender, other things that tu...besides hitting the shtender, other things that turn me off during a drasha are shrieking, yelling, whining, feet stamping, beard tugging, look up toward heaven, eye rolling, hand movements, back flips, etc.<br /><br />most of time, any of these things indicate either that rabbi really doesn't have anything important to say or that he is a poor communicator and had to compensate for a lack of power of wordsLion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-36424879842779822602009-07-20T07:11:27.414-04:002009-07-20T07:11:27.414-04:00I thought that the only reason to bang on a Shnden...I thought that the only reason to bang on a Shndender was to remind people to add Yaleh V'Yavo.<br />You'd only need to bang twice on Rosh Chodhes Tevet when congregants need to remember Ya'ale V'Yavo AND Al Hanissim.<br /><br />Banging on a Shtender (or shouting) for emphasis during a Drasha seems unnecessary.<br /><br />Doing it more than once is like adding multiple exclamation marks!!!! which is not only bad grammar!!!! it looks silly!!!!!!!!Michael Sedleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02684514303911193073noreply@blogger.com