tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post8578037834059787978..comments2023-09-11T17:58:13.764-04:00Comments on The Rebbetzin's Husband: "G-d, please bring back my son"The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-20480974774025305732016-10-26T11:56:56.939-04:002016-10-26T11:56:56.939-04:00Remember, though, that "כי ימינך ד' פשוטה...Remember, though, that "כי ימינך ד' פשוטה לקבל שבים -- for Your right hand, Gd, is extended to receive those who return." It would seem we're praying that G-d help someone who decided, or perhaps once they decide to return. We do not invoke G-d's "Desire" for repentance, but His readiness to receive those who do repent. Implied is that the sinner is taking the first step, and we're asking for His response to them.micha bergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11612144735431285113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-33071080124161424422012-09-14T14:53:44.720-04:002012-09-14T14:53:44.720-04:00Hi Melech,
Thank you!
I agree that we are lookin...Hi Melech,<br /><br />Thank you!<br /><br />I agree that we are looking for HaShem to provide opportunities, a point also suggested by Daniel and Bob in comments above. But I think the Ben Ish Chai is looking for more...The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-80510397689100045572012-09-14T10:03:11.372-04:002012-09-14T10:03:11.372-04:00That was a GREAT shiur. I didn't see a link to...That was a GREAT shiur. I didn't see a link to the actual delivered shiur in this thread so here:<br /><br />http://www.yutorah.com/lectures/lecture.cfm/781725/Rabbi_Mordechai_Torczyner/Kabbalistic_Repentance:_The_Ari%27s_Prayer_for_Teshuvah<br /><br />I'd offer one very slight variation and one comment to the Ben Ish Chai that God is being asked to provide a spark for potential penitents:<br /><br />Rather than God being asked to provide a spark, consistent with your comments towards the end of the shiur that we as individuals should do what we can to provide opportunities for others to want to do teshuvah, I'd suggest that an alternative would be God being asked to provide OPPORTUNITIES for teshuvah. In other words, rather than God putting thoughts in our heads, God is providing opportunities that we on our own can come to teshuvah thoughts on our own.<br /><br />After all, many of us are religious or not, observant or not, not because of any inherent makeup or what Outreachers call a pintele yid, but because of circumstances that presented themselves. We are products of opportunities and circumstances. Granted, how we react to those opportunities and circumstances may be due to our individuality. But I'm more comfortable with the notion of God providing opportunities than sparks.<br /><br />My comment is that indeed a spark is key. But I'm interpreting spark as a leap of faith. You can't prove the torah is divine, it takes a leap of faith. And once that leap of faith is made, we tend to hold fast to faith in spite of disconfirmatory evidence or other challenges.<br /><br />Melechhttps://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1ZfHfZsLh2qYBM6Q6Qp18csQvYQMBUOvjfwPCRn9iyJknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-40578219317626453412012-08-30T21:18:02.636-04:002012-08-30T21:18:02.636-04:00Eligalit-
Thanks for posting that - but is he actu...Eligalit-<br />Thanks for posting that - but is he actually saying that my act of דן לכף זכות brings the person back? Or is he saying that this will enable me to see the good in him, and aid in his return?<br /><br />Daniel, Bob (1), Shalom-<br />Certainly, one could pray for circumstances which enable repentance, but does praying for his mind to be "reversed" really sound like that?<br /><br />Bob (2), David-<br />Indeed; and the Chazon Ish is cited as offering this explanation for how this prayer could work. Stay tuned for a recording of the shiur...<br />The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-4039859757840727732012-08-29T00:21:46.976-04:002012-08-29T00:21:46.976-04:00The doctrine of arvut haddadit (shared responsibil...The doctrine of arvut haddadit (shared responsibility?) means that we are all responsible for the sins and the teshuvah of every other Jew. This concept is expanded on an explained in Rav Kooks most important work(IMHO) Orot Ha Teshuvah (lights of repentance. It is no coincidence that we express or confession in the plural-ashamNU;BagadNU etc We have all sinned and we qask for atonement as a cpllective of individuals=Clall Yisrael.David Tzoharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11510921351328863453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-12264275773272887432012-08-28T12:10:41.048-04:002012-08-28T12:10:41.048-04:00By the way, don't all Jews share a divine soul...By the way, don't all Jews share a divine soul in some fashion? So praying for one another could be essentially like praying for oneself.Bob Millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-65651300669679737132012-08-28T09:24:17.789-04:002012-08-28T09:24:17.789-04:00Someone with free will senses various outside stim...Someone with free will senses various outside stimuli. If one outside stimulus is the idea that he needs to get back on track, he still has the freedom to respond appropriately to the idea or not.Bob Millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-1852163734408666632012-08-28T09:07:17.364-04:002012-08-28T09:07:17.364-04:00And in the 20th century: There's an Igros Mosh...And in the 20th century: There's an Igros Moshe about praying that sin, not the sinners, go away -- where he says we're not asking for tampering with free will, we're asking for improved circumstances. Chazon Ish holds yes, we're asking for interference with free will.Shalom Rosenfeldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-55021284592950890942012-08-28T08:20:09.079-04:002012-08-28T08:20:09.079-04:00Could we not be asking G-d to bring about the circ...Could we not be asking G-d to bring about the circumstances that might inspire him or her to do teshuva without interfering with free will e.g. a 'chance' encounter with a speaker who will inspire him or her? Although I admit that's not really what the Ari seems to be saying.Daniel Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07087956908558706584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-89177768097919953302012-08-28T06:35:59.145-04:002012-08-28T06:35:59.145-04:00Sorry here is the Hebrew text again
"דע, כי ...Sorry here is the Hebrew text again <br />"דע, כי צריך לדון את כל אדם לכף זכות. ואפילו מי שהוא רשע גמור, צריך לחפש ולמצוא בו איזה מעט טוב, שבאותו המעט אינו רשע, ועל-ידי-זה שמוצא בו מעט טוב ודן אותו לכף זכות, על-ידי-זה מעלה אותו באמת לכף זכות ויוכל להשיבו בתשובה." (ליקוטי מוהר"ן, סימן רפב).<br />English - <br />Know! You need to judge every person favorably, even someone who is completely wicked, you need to search and find any little bit of good. By finding in him a little good and judging him favorably you actually bring him over to the side of merit and you can return him in teshuva (LM 282)Eligalithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12493202057686879093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-35205345060207207542012-08-28T06:29:53.672-04:002012-08-28T06:29:53.672-04:00Rebbe Nachman says that you can cause someone to d...Rebbe Nachman says that you can cause someone to do Teshuva by judging them favorably and looking for their good points.<br /><br />ליקוטי מוהר"ן ח"א - תורה רפב - צָרִיך לָדוּן אֶת כָּל אָדָם לְכַף זְכוּת<br /><br />דַּע כִּי צָרִיך לָדוּן אֶת כָּל אָדָם לְכַף זְכוּת<br />וַאֲפִילּוּ מִי שֶׁהוּא רָשָׁע גָּמוּר<br />צָרִיך לְחַפֵּשׂ וְלִמְצא בּוֹ אֵיזֶה מְעַט טוֹב, שֶׁבְּאוֹתוֹ הַמְּעַט אֵינוֹ רָשָׁע<br />וְעַל יְדֵי זֶה שֶׁמּוֹצֵא. בּוֹ מְעַט טוֹב, וְדָן אוֹתוֹ לְכַף זְכוּת<br />עַל יְדֵי זֶה מַעֲלֶה אוֹתוֹ בֶּאֱמֶת לְכַף זְכוּת<br />וְיוּכַל לַהֲשִׁיבוֹ בִּתְשׁוּבָה<br />וְזֶה בְּחִינַת "וְעוֹד מְעַט וְאֵין רָשָׁע וְהִתְבּוֹנַנְתָּ עַל מְקוֹמוֹ וְאֵינֶנּוּ"<br />In other words, it appears that every Jewish neshama yearns to get close to the Almighty, but sometimes it is surrounded by klipot and cannot break through and see the Almighty's light. So by praying or elevating his good points, you are removing those layers that are constraining and preventing him, and now allowing him to CHOOSE to do teshuva.Eligalithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12493202057686879093noreply@blogger.com