tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post7073357918622558159..comments2023-09-11T17:58:13.764-04:00Comments on The Rebbetzin's Husband: Part II - Our disappointment in the Chief Rabbinate of IsraelThe Rebbetzin's Husbandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-43711478514410859682011-07-12T13:09:11.275-04:002011-07-12T13:09:11.275-04:00David -
And how would you have them selected?David -<br />And how would you have them selected?The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-87127484104427978192011-07-12T11:33:29.460-04:002011-07-12T11:33:29.460-04:00My disappointment is not with the RR as an institu...My disappointment is not with the RR as an institution of the state. After all Harav Kook ZTZL taught us that the state of Israel is the basis of hasra'at Haschina in the world. Iam however very disappointed with certain Chief rabbis including yhe present Ashkenazi chief rabbi. The problem is that the chief rabbis are chosen by a political committee where the political constellation is such that the choice of the Gadol haDor will always be elected. Thus R Metzger is chosen by R Elyashiv and R Amar is chosen by R Ovadia. The Cheif rabbis are in fact the Yada Arichta of the "Real cheif rabbis"David Tzoharhttp://tzoharlateiva.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-89464062129429941922011-07-12T11:32:57.977-04:002011-07-12T11:32:57.977-04:00My disappointment is not with the RR as an institu...My disappointment is not with the RR as an institution of the state. After all Harav Kook ZTZL taught us that the state of Israel is the basis of hasra'at Haschina in the world. Iam however very disappointed with certain Chief rabbis including yhe present Ashkenazi chief rabbi. The problem is that the chief rabbis are chosen by a political committee where the political constellation is such that the choice of the Gadol haDor will always be elected. Thus R Metzger is chosen by R Elyashiv and R Amar is chosen by R Ovadia. The Cheif rabbis are in fact the Yada Arichta of the "Real cheif rabbis"David Tzoharhttp://tzoharlateiva.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-39224766379139913682011-07-11T05:52:03.613-04:002011-07-11T05:52:03.613-04:00Esser agaroth-
I agree with you re: rabbis outside...Esser agaroth-<br />I agree with you re: rabbis outside of Israel weighing in on Israeli rabbinic decisions without knowing the reality. It's foolish.<br /><br />But I'm confused: Temporarily accepting your stipulation that a certain beit din in Israel is greater than rabbanei chu"l, why do you feel free to challenge that beit din's rulings based on your own perspective?The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-76374778201270393812011-07-11T04:12:20.980-04:002011-07-11T04:12:20.980-04:00I also believe that the Rabbinate has been a disap...I also believe that the Rabbinate has been a disappointment, but not for the same reasons.<br /><br />Time and time again, they have demonstrated that they are nothing less than puppets of a government which couldn't give a darn about a rabbinate or Torah, let alone their authority.<br /><br />The Chief Rabbinate has hidden behind the non-Torah excuse of "we don't get involved in political issues" when backing away from involvement in Torah matters, such as whether to kick Jews out of their homes and to hand over land to <i>goyim</i> or not.<br /><br />How could they, given who's paying their salaries?<br /><br />The IDF Rabbinate under Yisrael Weiss was silent not only on issues of the Land, but also in risking of soldiers' lives to save those of enemies, and the increased promiscuity in the IDF with the increasing roles and integration of women.<br /><br />Yet, which is worse? Puppets of a government? Or the RCA which does not like having its business but into, even by a Beth Din in Israel <i>gadol yoter b'minyan uv'hachma</i>, yet won't hesitate to express its opinions of rabbinic rulings in Israel?Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-38576802259102532362011-07-08T17:37:13.448-04:002011-07-08T17:37:13.448-04:00Eliyahu-
Not much time, but re: talmid chacham - T...Eliyahu-<br />Not much time, but re: talmid chacham - The gemara itself uses it in (at least) two different ways, sometimes to mean "student who serves sages" and sometimes to mean a "wise student". Re: Gadol haDor, it's more about leadership; cf Pesachim 49b.The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-52851274944718255232011-07-07T02:32:04.523-04:002011-07-07T02:32:04.523-04:00Could either of you expand on how the usage/meanin...Could either of you expand on how the usage/meaning of TH or Gadol Hador has changed since the gemara?Eliyahuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12683147094841143218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-57970166449506529212011-07-06T21:52:02.698-04:002011-07-06T21:52:02.698-04:00Tzipporah-
I can hear that, although I think the p...Tzipporah-<br />I can hear that, although I think the points I outlined in Part I are more Orthospecific.<br /><br />Joel-<br />True, but here it's "talmid chacham". [Which is also used differently in the gemara...]The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-1272906521902440772011-07-06T15:38:25.362-04:002011-07-06T15:38:25.362-04:00The term gadol hador is used in the gemara in a ma...The term gadol hador is used in the gemara in a manner not consistent with the current usage.<br />KT<br />Joel RichAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-36198020452624512052011-07-06T14:51:51.271-04:002011-07-06T14:51:51.271-04:00Very nice summation of the issues, rabbi. I think ...Very nice summation of the issues, rabbi. I think a lot of them apply to more liberal Jews, as well.Tzipporahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08807511259582331073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-70401111042974709122011-07-06T13:28:28.469-04:002011-07-06T13:28:28.469-04:00This only shows that the Chief Rabbi needs a seaso...This only shows that the Chief Rabbi needs a seasoned administrator to implement his agenda.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-55315417749430721892011-07-06T13:18:20.871-04:002011-07-06T13:18:20.871-04:00(Note: The word in the gemara is actually "ta...(Note: The word in the gemara is actually "talmid chacham" rather than "gadol hador".) According to Rashi: Talmidei chachamim will be too involved in their learning, and will not do a good job with administration.The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-90373016594249318102011-07-06T13:13:46.515-04:002011-07-06T13:13:46.515-04:00Please explain the reasoning.Please explain the reasoning.Bob Millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-79579312496076564642011-07-06T13:12:54.168-04:002011-07-06T13:12:54.168-04:00See Pesachim 112a - You should not live in a city ...See Pesachim 112a - You should not live in a city which is headed by the gadol hador...The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-52703314096071498922011-07-06T13:11:54.357-04:002011-07-06T13:11:54.357-04:00Why should any candidate even be considered who is...Why should any candidate even be considered who is not widely regarded as the Gadol HaDor (or at least one of several Gedolei HaDor)?Bob Millernoreply@blogger.com