tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post5299045702597673208..comments2023-09-11T17:58:13.764-04:00Comments on The Rebbetzin's Husband: On the Orthoprax Rabbi, Part II: Would you buy a used car from this man?The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-67417512930310300722010-07-02T16:05:11.270-04:002010-07-02T16:05:11.270-04:00Joel-
My answer is Yes. Fraud is based on the cons...Joel-<br />My answer is Yes. Fraud is based on the consumer's expectations.The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-50400622488379002742010-07-02T05:34:03.846-04:002010-07-02T05:34:03.846-04:00not to beat a dead horse, they certainly think tha...not to beat a dead horse, they certainly think that way, i'm asking if it's a mekach taut if they can't tell/don't experience a difference in the product.<br />KT<br />Joel RichAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-11371695496086633222010-07-01T22:50:25.265-04:002010-07-01T22:50:25.265-04:00Joel-
I'd have to disagree. People do want a r...Joel-<br />I'd have to disagree. People do want a rabbi who drives the car, and that is absolutely their assumption.The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-58231677707564279952010-07-01T18:20:29.452-04:002010-07-01T18:20:29.452-04:00It's unethical to sell someone a car by claimi...It's unethical to sell someone a car by claiming you drive one, when you actually don't.<br />=========================<br />Is it unethical to sell a car you don't drive by pointing out all the claims for the car? I doubt that very many people ask what the rabbi himself believes. In a way it's like when I talk about kabala (except that I say I can tell you what the words mean, I can't tell you I understand how it works)<br />KT<br />Joel RichAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-24059039767203627292010-07-01T17:34:13.153-04:002010-07-01T17:34:13.153-04:00Anonymous 10:50-
I agree that it would cause probl...Anonymous 10:50-<br />I agree that it would cause problems for his congregation. Not because they would be surprised that someone didn't believe, but because they would have difficulty trusting future leaders.<br /><br />Joel-<br />I don't see it that way. It's unethical to sell someone a car by claiming you drive one, when you actually don't. And it's bad for your own personal psyche.<br /><br />ProfK-<br />Agreed on all counts, and Yes.<br /><br />Jack-<br />Yup. It's what I believe and what I do that define me.<br /><br />Anonymous 5:13 PM-<br />I don't know about that particular scenario, but yes, I could see all sorts of hidden agenda behind this. Or, it's for real. Don't know.The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-30512944179000392532010-07-01T17:13:16.982-04:002010-07-01T17:13:16.982-04:00While the Orthoprax Rabbi claims he really exists,...While the Orthoprax Rabbi claims he really exists, I could see it being fake written by somebody who is "Anti-Rabba" creating such a blog to prove that although there is nothing in Halacha that says this guy can't be a pulpit rabbi, it doesn't mean we should allow it.... Afterall, he can adequately perform the same roles as any believing Rabbi, just as a female Rabbi can do just as good a job as a male one can do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-85646862085302165972010-07-01T14:20:00.666-04:002010-07-01T14:20:00.666-04:00Put another way - should we be measuring results o...<i>Put another way - should we be measuring results or intents?</i><br /><br />We should measure both.Jack Steinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16625864271071630940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-22670129853089827902010-07-01T14:11:18.419-04:002010-07-01T14:11:18.419-04:00Living a double life such as the one the Orthoprax...Living a double life such as the one the Orthoprax Rabbi is living is 1)not healthy for him and 2)not healthy for his congregants. It's not healthy for him because his life's foundation is based on deception and lies. He pretends to be one thing in the world visible to his congregants but is something else altogether in his private practices. No human being is so strong minded that there will never be any bleeding between the two, and smudging of the strict wall that separates them. And that's where it becomes unhealthy for his congregants.<br /><br />If a congregant is having a crisis of faith and needs shoring up by the rabbi, what is to guaruntee that the rabbi will will say everything that is necessary to say and do everything that is necessary to do when it goes against the grain to be doing it? Even in a simpler case, a kashrus question, would there not be a question that this man might be maikhil when being machmir is called for or vice versa not based on a reasoned study of the relevant halacha but on what he personally has a tolerance for?<br /><br />And what's with the Orthoprax label? Why not be honest and say he's an atheist--the word fits just fine. Somehow, it seems to me, that new label is being used to legitimize what can't really be legitimized.<br /><br />Last one in the world to quote psukim to you, but isn't there something in the Rambam where he says you may not have a non-believer as a representative of klal, in a position of authority?ProfKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-58568894045954346722010-07-01T11:19:32.470-04:002010-07-01T11:19:32.470-04:00Sounds like a deed/creed thing - are you what you ...Sounds like a deed/creed thing - are you what you pretend to be? If the community likes you and they can't tell the difference ...<br /><br />Put another way - should we be measuring results or intents?<br /><br />KT<br />Joel RichAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-41283414937536666312010-07-01T10:50:11.384-04:002010-07-01T10:50:11.384-04:00I would add, if I may, that he is also building a ...I would add, if I may, that he is also building a house of a cards for those who buy into what he is preaching. If his congragants - whom he is inspiring - find out that he doesn't believe in it all, it will all come crashing down for them as well. The foundtion needs to be sturdy, and in this case I fear it is not.<br /><br />Additionally, I think it is the Emes L'Yaakov who says that the reason Noach was not able to convince anyone to do teshiva - even though the midrash quoted by Rashi says it took him 120 years to build the teiva so people would ask a bout it - is because HE idn't fully believe. That's why only once it started raining was Noach compelled to go into the teiva.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com