tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post5011896463845231085..comments2023-09-11T17:58:13.764-04:00Comments on The Rebbetzin's Husband: The Jew and the GreekThe Rebbetzin's Husbandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-55133872652152469522012-01-05T13:22:14.628-05:002012-01-05T13:22:14.628-05:00R. Torczyner and Mike S.,
The article I posted...R. Torczyner and Mike S.,<br /><br /> The article I posted for you is interesting because it rejects most historians' assumptions (including those of Dr. Feldman) about the definition of hokhma(t) yevvanit; in fact, the semichut issue that Mike S. brought up is an essential part of the definition. Just because many academics assume one thing (I say assume because some do not cite evidence for their position in this case) doesn't make it true!Josephnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-53419902870411942082012-01-05T08:29:39.811-05:002012-01-05T08:29:39.811-05:00from audio roundup 179
Rabbi David Bigman -Judais...from audio roundup 179<br />Rabbi David Bigman -Judaism Vs. Hellenism In the Eyes of Twentieth Century Thinkers(TIM)<br />How do we explain the Talmud’s seemingly ambiguous relationship with Greek language and wisdom (and what it represents) other than saying the opinions were from different times/people?<br />R’Hutner – 10 maamarot & dibrot imply two divine emanations (e.g. “vayihi or” vs. lo Tishtachaveh) – we’re forced into observance of one but the other is voluntary.<br />To R’Hutner the positive of Greece was science; to R’Kook it was aesthetics.<br /><br />KT<br />Joel RichAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-420447577523729622012-01-05T03:55:39.122-05:002012-01-05T03:55:39.122-05:00My pleasure! I'm glad you found it illuminatin...My pleasure! I'm glad you found it illuminatingJosephnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-37554955002115251512012-01-04T23:48:25.274-05:002012-01-04T23:48:25.274-05:00Mike S-
1. Understood, but "Greek Wisdom"...Mike S-<br />1. Understood, but "Greek Wisdom" is what some academics believe is intended there, and it reads better in the sentence.<br /><br />2. Thanks!<br /><br />Michael-<br />Yes, I expect to discuss that in the shiur. I'm not sure how to introduce it in the text itself without creating confusion.The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-18004800167760095732012-01-04T14:14:05.800-05:002012-01-04T14:14:05.800-05:00Just a comment/suggestion:
In several of these so...Just a comment/suggestion:<br /><br />In several of these sources, you translate אשורית simply as Assyrian. That is the literal translation, but readers could think that it literally means an alphabet used by Assyrians. Rather, it's Ktav Ashurit (Hebrew script), (re?)-introduced by Ezra which we use today (as in our Sifrei Torah), as opposed to "ivrit" which IIRC is the early Hebrew/Phoenician-like script.Michael Mirskynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-46459620996017282222012-01-04T10:43:51.435-05:002012-01-04T10:43:51.435-05:001) Cochmat yevanit is a smichut, and would be bet...1) Cochmat yevanit is a smichut, and would be better translated as "the wisdom of Greek" rather than "Greek Wisdom" and from the context of the gemara it seems to be some way of using Greek to communicate in a covert fashion.<br /><br />2) I listened to your shiur on extraterrestrials. The 7 planets of classical (i.e. Babylonian/Greek) astronomy, which remained current in Europe through the 15th century, were the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. Only with the development of the heliocentric solar system of Copernicus did the Moon and Sun stop being planets. Uranus was not recognized as a planet until the mid 1700's.Mike S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-59253499781448959912012-01-04T06:51:42.366-05:002012-01-04T06:51:42.366-05:00Steg-
Indeed!
Joseph-
Thanks! There were some gre...Steg-<br />Indeed!<br /><br />Joseph-<br />Thanks! There were some great academic articles that helped with the shiur in general, particularly work from Dr. Louis Feldman (no surprise there) and Michael Simon-Shoshan. I might add a bibliography of academic sources here in the next couple of days, if I can make the time.The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-4770650357278253982012-01-04T04:15:58.326-05:002012-01-04T04:15:58.326-05:00Check this out:
http://seforim.blogspot.com/2011/...Check this out:<br /><br />http://seforim.blogspot.com/2011/12/how-much-greek-in-greek-wisdom-on.html#_ftn1Josephnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-76860290372077422352012-01-03T22:32:28.123-05:002012-01-03T22:32:28.123-05:00That source from Yǝrushalmi Soṭa is really interes...That source from Yǝrushalmi Soṭa is really interesting -- i only figured out that קריין שמע אלוניסתין means "they were reciting the שמע in Hellenistic [=International] Greek" thanks to Wikipedia :-)Stegnoreply@blogger.com