tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post1612886460547871443..comments2023-09-11T17:58:13.764-04:00Comments on The Rebbetzin's Husband: And again: Drinking on PurimThe Rebbetzin's Husbandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-51971108002235374812011-03-25T16:32:18.055-04:002011-03-25T16:32:18.055-04:00Batya maybe you should also be against the whole p...Batya maybe you should also be against the whole purim story for the childrens sake. Think about, a jewish woman being raped (or willfully becoming queens of persia, depends which interpretation you prefer) by a goy while being married to her uncle who was probably close to double if not triple her age?! How about the fact that we celebrate the hanging of a bunch of men? We even have little miniature linchings as a zecher? Maybe we should stop the whole purim story for the sake of the children. We'll just keep the costumes and groggers. Maybe we shouldn't drink on pesach either, for the kids sake. Let's totally take out karbanot from the torah cause then the kids will think that killing animals is ok. How about the whole mechiyat amalek thing, not to good to teach kids to be vengeful is it? I could go on for quite a while.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-45503056478369028582011-03-23T13:47:47.961-04:002011-03-23T13:47:47.961-04:00I'm against all the drinking. It's a bad ...I'm against all the drinking. It's a bad lesson for the kids.Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-36955377941670027402011-03-20T16:56:00.670-04:002011-03-20T16:56:00.670-04:00daat y-
Or would one need to be "without emot...daat y-<br />Or would one need to be "without emotion", seeing both as equal, both maasei HaShem?<br /><br />Laya-<br />I think it's effective if it's played out in deeds. Otherwise, it's a wink-and-nod thing.The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-50608035661275461082011-03-20T12:39:32.209-04:002011-03-20T12:39:32.209-04:00thankthanklars shalomhttp://dadoichzlig.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-65671986297979341212011-03-20T11:38:57.380-04:002011-03-20T11:38:57.380-04:00Do you think the biannual anti-drinking speeches t...Do you think the biannual anti-drinking speeches to high school kids help any? Or is it like the warning on cigarette packages? (won't stop you, but it fulfills our duty to warn)<br /><br />My son just comes home twice a year (just before purim and succot) and announces that the rosh yeshiva has delivered the obligatory "don't drink,you are too young and someone might get hurt" speech. <br /><br />It doesn't matter to him, he is allowed wine at our table. (He's 17) But does it really help?Layanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-88672443949839286792011-03-20T10:00:20.886-04:002011-03-20T10:00:20.886-04:00Your post is valuable,sagacious and needed.Hopeful...Your post is valuable,sagacious and needed.Hopefully heeded.daat ynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-35349759284619732542011-03-20T09:55:02.748-04:002011-03-20T09:55:02.748-04:00If the issue is "ad delo Yada" then it d...If the issue is "ad delo Yada" then it depends what Daat is.<br />If we follow Devorim 29:3 "velo nasan Hashem lachem 'lev(heart=emotions) ladaas...ad hayom haseh"(and other sources)then Daat is related to include the emotions and not just cognition.Therefor a change in emotion will be enough to satisfy "ad delo yada".<br />Practically ,just a little more wine than kiddush.daat ynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-55724503444811419082011-03-20T00:13:18.393-04:002011-03-20T00:13:18.393-04:00Shmuel 1-
Agreed, and I am very disturbed by that ...Shmuel 1-<br />Agreed, and I am very disturbed by that practice.<br /><br />Shmuel 2-<br />Thanks, and feel free.The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-57638820057454255212011-03-18T16:29:30.272-04:002011-03-18T16:29:30.272-04:00Yasher ko'ach on giving a fair and balanced ap...Yasher ko'ach on giving a fair and balanced approach. I am also opting for the yoter m'limudo option this year, especially given the fact that i will be expected to be able to drive my wife's family around later in the evening...<br /><br />I hope you don't mind my cross-posting this in my own blog...<br /><br />(I'm not the same Shmuel as the above fellow, by the way)Shmuelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08623549507370220071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-87242281995317081532011-03-18T09:07:54.047-04:002011-03-18T09:07:54.047-04:00Rabbi--
another comment --in my observation, a bi...Rabbi--<br /><br />another comment --in my observation, a bigger problem than purim both in general and from the point of view of giving children a good example is every shabbos all year, at least in some shuls. There are gentlemen who go to the kiddush (some have their own private kiddush) and get pretty tipsy. I have seen this many times when I am visiting Toronto, though of course it happens elsewhere as well.Shmuelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-2912300142146185932011-03-17T21:44:52.019-04:002011-03-17T21:44:52.019-04:00Bob-
Ya got me.
Anonymous-
I hear you, although I...Bob-<br />Ya got me.<br /><br />Anonymous-<br />I hear you, although I wouldn't go as far as you do in labelling those interpretations.<br /><br />Shmuel-<br />Possibly because they grew up seeing the adults drinking a lot on Purim, and they took their cue from that.The Rebbetzin's Husbandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14977193945074906534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-2265982731840327612011-03-17T18:16:04.265-04:002011-03-17T18:16:04.265-04:00I don't agree about not giving kids a sip unde...I don't agree about not giving kids a sip under any circumstance --I have given my kids a sip of wine on pesach (I usually use grape juice on shabbos) and a sip of wine or beer on purim and the result has been that they know they don't like the taste and they don't see it as a forbidden fruit that is desirable just because it is forbidden. I see that as a desirable result.<br /><br />I agree that most (adult) people appear to need you and other Rabbis discouraging drinking on Purim though. Not sure why.Shmuelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-76087972751333941632011-03-17T15:05:46.335-04:002011-03-17T15:05:46.335-04:00Rabbi,
You do not seem like a party pooper.
Ther...Rabbi, <br />You do not seem like a party pooper. <br />There are however, party poopers who insist that drinking moderately is not sufficient, and that we must 100% refrain from alcohol on Purim, a practice that is on very shaky ground halachicly. It seems like there are those that feel that drinking is OK every day of the year except for Yom Kippur and Purim.<br />Exactly what the specifics of drinking on Purim are is debatable, but I think it is clear that an overwhelming majority of poskim maintain that one must have a least a sip of alcohol! In the community that I live in there are many that maintain that one should not drink at all on Purim and search out obscure minority opinions and use bizzare quasi-Conservative/Reform type interpretations to come up with that we don't have to/shouldn't drink. For example, just as someone with medical issues (or a recovering alcoholic) or a minor should not drink, there are those that say, "well since we live in 'dangerous time" we all have the status of someone with medical or emotional issues that mean we shouldn't drink even a little bit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898782635470765614.post-41306669375131208262011-03-17T12:51:51.213-04:002011-03-17T12:51:51.213-04:00I'm not too happy with outright drunkenness se...I'm not too happy with outright drunkenness seen on Simchas Torah, either. What, by the way, caused that phenomenon?Bob Millernoreply@blogger.com